Is your vBulletin too fat?

**Noodles** · 08-07-2007, 10:32 PM

A tool like vBSEO goes a long way to help with speeding up the download of your vBulletin pages by stripping out whitespace and comments, but the javascript that's included into each page may be slowing down your site.

I've started down the track of developing some tools to help speed up vBulletin and improve site scores on YSlow.

The first is a minimized version of the Javascript that comes with vBulletin.

**remove for copyright infringement**

Stay tuned for more performance tips and tools.

**Brandon Sheley** · 08-07-2007, 10:39 PM

I look forward to following this, thanks Noodles

**eric** · 08-07-2007, 10:41 PM

Hey Noodles, long time no see :-)

This sounds interesting, but by minimizing the code, did you strip some functions or just recoded with more knowledge ?

As a rule, take a backup of the files you replace, in case something breaks ;-) Maybe some hack, addon was coded and breaks by these changes...

thanks for charing Noodles, will for sure test this tonight when I finish working in my house

08-07-2007, 11:05 PM

Looks like an interesting little tool. I might have to look into it

**Noodles** · 08-08-2007, 12:40 AM

All the functionality has been kept, just ran the js through a program that strips out whitespace, comments and other things.

I'm running it on Wireless and Wifi Forums if you want to see it in action (just to prove that all the functionality is still there and not broken).

**Caddyman** · 08-08-2007, 03:45 AM

i loaded the js files from that blog on talk delaware. seems to be faster....

**eric** · 08-08-2007, 08:25 AM

Have replaced the code on my Aeroclix
Always hard to say for me and my 56 k line but seems to loads faster indeed.
Thanks Noodles to share and if you have more of those things ...
Question flashing true the mind, can't the same be done with php ? Get the code cleaned from all comments for ex ... ???

**Brandon Sheley** · 08-08-2007, 10:48 AM

I'll give it a shot

Seems a little quicker

but I thought the place loaded fast as it was.

Thanks Again Noodles :banana:

**eric** · 08-08-2007, 10:56 AM

for me quicker for sure, I guess those having big pipes won't see much but for poor crazy like me every byte counts :-)

**MaestroX** · 08-08-2007, 11:00 AM

I've looked at compressing the javascripts before. In all honesty jelsoft should release the javascripts in the package as compressed as most people will never need it, in an uncompressed form anyway. Javascript libraries have been doing it for years. (jquery for example).

The only problem is having to do the whole process again when you upgrade.

**Noodles** · 08-08-2007, 12:18 PM

I'm looking at doing it on the fly (compressing js), but there may be too much overhead.

As for removing comments from PHP, they don't really slow it down because the PHP files don't have to be transferred to the client. There is someone vBSEO.com who is looking at slimming down queries on vBulletin though and thus speeding it up on the server side.

**OS Master** · 08-08-2007, 01:41 PM

Thanks for this. I tried it on a test installation and it did speed up so I tried it on my forum. I do notice a speed increase so thank you for this.

**Brandon Sheley** · 08-08-2007, 01:45 PM

I'm going to sticky the thread

**RedMatrix** · 08-14-2007, 12:36 AM

This seems interesting. I love the code-2-content ratio this contributes to.

**lisaj** · 08-26-2007, 12:59 PM

No, but I am :spot:: lol sorry couldn't resist.

**Brandon Sheley** · 08-27-2007, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lisaj

No, but I am :spot:: lol sorry couldn't resist.

just upload those javafiles and it'll thin ya on up

**lisaj** · 08-27-2007, 07:47 PM

hahaha

the devloper who could create that mod would be rich!

**Brandon Sheley** · 08-27-2007, 08:53 PM

I'd need to upload twice

**ngham** · 09-23-2007, 08:03 PM

i will try be back

**marketprofits** · 10-09-2007, 05:02 PM

*Installed and working great. It is faster!*

**noppid** · 10-10-2007, 07:34 AM

It is illegal to redistribute vBulletin files in their entirety IIRC.

I noticed this seems to be inspired by a site with vBSEO. Um, er. Has anyone bench marked vBSEO? Now that would show you something interesting and I doubt it's about JS.

I'm not knocking vBSEO. I used it, but I stopped using it. However, I think there are some interesting numbers to be revealed.

What I'm saying is sometimes smoke and mirrors is just that, smoke and mirrors.

**marketprofits** · 10-10-2007, 07:37 AM

What?

Who is this directed at?

Is it directed at anyone?

Quote:

Originally Posted by noppid

It is illegal to redistribute vBulletin files in their entirety IIRC.

I noticed this seems to be inspired by a site with vBSEO. Um, er. Has anyone bench marked vBSEO? Now that would show you something interesting and I doubt it's about JS.

I'm not knocking vBSEO. I used it, but I stopped using it. However, I think there are some interesting numbers to be revealed.

What I'm saying is sometimes smoke and mirrors is just that, smoke and mirrors.

**noppid** · 10-10-2007, 08:51 AM

How about asking me an intelligent question?

Like about file re-distribution.

Or how I thought this was inspired by vBSEO overhead?

Or how much experience I have with vBSEO and what I have seen as fact?

Or how I came up with the idea that sometimes what seems fast is just an illusion?

You seem to want a pissing match, not a debate.

Oh well, it was nice to come back for one day at least. I'll go back under my rock. God forbid we are not all fan boys of each other and just issue high fives instead of learning.

**eric** · 10-10-2007, 08:59 AM

Noppid, what are you trying to say here. THis is a thread about some javascript optimalisation .... and you start to say illegal and then start to shout at vbseo

if you want to make something clear about vbseo ok, I don't mind as long you start a thread about and let people discuss about it. Here you just drop a few lines meaning not much. We're open to discussions, the pro and cons about vbseo is a good subject and might learn things to all, it is known to be a very subtile matter that might do well or very wrong if you don't know what you do... just post a new thread with your opinion, with facts why not if you have some and why you think vbseo etc... might bring something

**noppid** · 10-10-2007, 09:26 AM

Redistributing vB files is illegal. PEROID

The vBSEO feature to strip white space was eluded to for performance. It's a bad reference because it does not take into consideration the over head by vBSEO that exists. I find it a very poor example. Just opinion, I don't need a thread for that. I'd hope at least.

This whole thread is misleading in that it uses a bad example and supports a vBulletin license violation.

I'm sick and tired of wanna be coders coming up with crap ideas and then breaking the rules to get them out.

I'm tired of people playing fan boy because of someone's name and past and looking past the fact they are doing something illegal that affects all vBulletin owners.

I'm tired of things like this circumventing quality control.

I have a name and it's well known. Good or bad, I don't care. I have the quailty and experience to ignore it. Those that know, well they know and they know where to find me.

Call me a scum bag, but I filed a piracy report. You should have too. If you didn't, you're part of the problem.

My loyalty is with vBulletin and my livelyhood. I don't have to be a forum whore to pay my bills. I hit forums that usually have intelligent conversation. That seems lost however in fanboy land. People seek me out because I'm honest and do a good job.

Most don't like me because I force them to be honest and open. But, not one of the folks I have put in their place has proven me wrong.

I have seen vB coders come and go over the past 5 years. I'm still here. Imagine that!

Learn some rules, learn some respect for licensing and learn to code if you want quality. Don't base decisions on the fan boy club.

**Michael Biddle** · 10-10-2007, 10:18 AM

Well I can see how this is on both sides, in the TOS their is a line that says you cannot modify or post in whole any parts of these files. So I would have to agree this is against their rules, as far as piracy, I don't see how having these files is going to really give an advantage to the mass as its just some simple javascript.

I would advise you to take these down as you could get into some trouble for it.

**Brandon Sheley** · 10-10-2007, 10:24 AM

I had never thought about it, but Greg has a point.
Sorry Noodles, but I think you should take them down as well.

**noppid** · 10-10-2007, 10:27 AM

There are no credits in the JS posted there, not even for the open source code Jelsoft used. The Jelsoft credits are gone and the licensing info is gone.

Joe blow could pull this off, legally, with proper instruction. Good idea, poor implementation.

Quite frankly, I'm disappointed this got so far without some coder seeing the reality and protecting our investments.

**Brandon Sheley** · 10-10-2007, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noppid

Quite frankly, I'm disappointed this got so far without some coder seeing the reality and protecting our investments.

I'm a bit surprised to, but I have my self to blame. We don't even allow users to post vb code on the forums, let alone upload full vb files. :bangin: Guess I was just overwhelmed with the increase is load time, that I didn't see the piracy right in front of me.
I've removed the links from the first post, un-sticky this and close thethread.