Troubleshooting vBulletin Problems Discuss Zoints SEO in the vBulletinSetup Information forums; Im using this on my forum because its free and it's really reallly really useful !! What do you guys think of it ??...

[Rekzai]

Im using this on my forum because its free and it's really reallly really useful !!

What do you guys think of it ??

[Brandon Sheley]

I think it's good for a free solution, but we use vBSEO cuz it's the best

one thing I don't like about the zoints seo is the support

[saqib]

I need to check this one out, ill let you know what i think once i have installed it

[Brandon Sheley]

The owner of Zoints has signed up here and I've encouraged him to post info about the zoints products.
I know those guys are busy though, maybe one day he'll have time

[noppid]

I can't wrap my head around anything to do with Zoints. Their main motive seems to be get our members over there. We work hard enough getting members. To send them or link them to any social network seems to be counter productive.

I have to admit, I put my hacks on my forum because I want members. I don't however ask for the members of those that need a vBulletin hack I offer to send me members. If they take one of my large hacks, I ask for "1" back link. I don't think that's greedy at all.

Even at that, some have asked to remove that and I told them they could.

[JD45]

I'm using Zoints right now and it was fairly easy to set up. We'll see if it produces any results at all.

[Brandon Sheley]

I was just looking at your site and seen your using zoints seo. I was wondering if you have it setup correctly ?
I see links like showthread.php/forum-title.html/

Are you meaning to have that showthread.php part in ?

[JD45]

Originally Posted by Brandon

I was just looking at your site and seen your using zoints seo. I was wondering if you have it setup correctly ?
I see links like showthread.php/forum-title.html/

Are you meaning to have that showthread.php part in ?

No, I didn't notice that till you pointed it out...:1confused:

[DChapman]

Frankly, I wouldn't use Zoints SEO at present time. In my opinion, it has the potential to do more harm than good unless you are knowledgeable enough to keep the system updated.

Until the dev community comes together to further develop and support it, novices should stay away.

[Brandon Sheley]

wow, well at least your honest

[ITDevil]

Originally Posted by Brandon

I think it's good for a free solution, but we use vBSEO cuz it's the best

Yes, vBSEO is the best in the market but it really over priced if you ask me. People who own small forum but want a good SEO solution is away too much expensive. I personally dislike vBSEO because :1angry:

- Over Priced
- requires Zend or Ioncube to run
- Code Protection
- Forced Copyright Tags
- New They require you enter you bussiness and personal Information if you want to download vBSEO. They is really lame as they use PayPal and 2CO marchant. PayPal and 2CO both already have Customer Information, and for webscript they should not require home or bussiness contact info. All they need to do is send a email or PM thought forums.

I like scripts which are open, so i can see what am I am running... It is not like i do not trust them It is just that why hide the code when i paid for it.

That is what i think By the way i own a copy of vBSEO... I need one more but its too much for new community... will try Zoints instead...

[eric]

I hope for them that Zend optimizer will update their systems quickly because they are not compatible with PHP 5.2.0 and some server owners are upping... resulting in broken scripts.

[Brandon Sheley]

Originally Posted by ITDevil

Yes, vBSEO is the best in the market but it really over priced if you ask me. People who own small forum but want a good SEO solution is away too much expensive. I personally dislike vBSEO because :1angry:

- Over Priced
- requires Zend or Ioncube to run
- Code Protection
- Forced Copyright Tags
- New They require you enter you bussiness and personal Information if you want to download vBSEO. They is really lame as they use PayPal and 2CO marchant. PayPal and 2CO both already have Customer Information, and for webscript they should not require home or bussiness contact info. All they need to do is send a email or PM thought forums.

I like scripts which are open, so i can see what am I am running... It is not like i do not trust them It is just that why hide the code when i paid for it.

That is what i think By the way i own a copy of vBSEO... I need one more but its too much for new community... will try Zoints instead...

• it isn't over priced for what it does, and how well it does it.. If you can't afford it, then it's not for you... I for one have spent more then this on back-links and advertising alone.. It's just another piece in the whole setup..btw, I've made my cash back in the SE traffic & have made my money back from the affiliates program... but like I said, if you can't afford it, then don't get it.. the product is well worth the money.
• ? 90% of host will have this enabled already, if not it's easy to setup on your server.. I have more then one site that requires Zend
• again, I have other sites that are encrypted,, if it bothers you, it is very easy to unencrypted it and see what the code is..
• ya, this is a bummer for now, but I get most of my affiliate clicks from that link.. They will have the no brand version at some point.
• again whats the deal ? vb.com asked for the url your site is on too.. it isn't like they are doing it to sell your information.. just to protect themselves.

Originally Posted by eric

I hope for them that Zend optimizer will update their systems quickly because they are not compatible with PHP 5.2.0 and some server owners are upping... resulting in broken scripts.

isn't that what vbmodder is running ?

[eric]

I don't think CM uses Zend but Ioncube

[Brandon Sheley]

ahh, that does sound right.

[JD45]

Originally Posted by DChapman

Frankly, I wouldn't use Zoints SEO at present time. In my opinion, it has the potential to do more harm than good unless you are knowledgeable enough to keep the system updated.

Until the dev community comes together to further develop and support it, novices should stay away.

I'm by far an expert, but still manage my way pretty well. It'd be nice if you could list a fix for it.

[Brandon Sheley]

I think he is saying, and I agree..

That if you don't know what you're doing and you start changing your URL structure, then something happens to the mod_rewrite and you have to chance the URL again, that all those indexed pages will now be lost and you will have to get your site re-indexed..

there are many more dangerous things that could be done if SEO is done badly, but this is an easy one to explain quickly.

[ITDevil]

Originally Posted by Brandon

• again, I have other sites that are encrypted,, if it bothers you, it is very easy to unencrypted it and see what the code is..
• ya, this is a bummer for now, but I get most of my affiliate clicks from that link.. They will have the no brand version at some point.
• again whats the deal ? vb.com asked for the url your site is on too.. it isn't like they are doing it to sell your information.. just to protect themselves.

1. You can not unencrypt, I also do not think vBSEO will give unencrypted files. If I want to make them Dezend or unencrypted it cost a lot ~$15 per file which mean makes the unencryption cost would double the original price of vBSEO. Plus unencrypting vBSEO would be breaking License agreement as well.
   
2. They will have copyright removal at some point but at the moment is the forced advertisement for their product. We are paying and willing to pay more to remove the copyright but still you forcing us to advertise their product.
   
3. vBulletin do ask the information and it only during registration once you have registered they no longer show that information where as vBSEO have the information open in public forums. You can edit and see you information. vBulletin do require contact information but they do not force you enter you Business information. vBulletin require this information for VAT process. vB is Long Run Company and you are comparing it a newly born add-on. Asking for a forum URL and Contact person is OK, but asking for you Business and other detail information in order to download the last vBSEO copy is wrong and mean. Once you bought the copy and it has been over 4months and no charge back why still they need our address and business information? Only thing if they need to be worry is chargeback’s, which usually occurs within month maximum. Why them we are now forced to put our contact information if we wish to download newer copy of vBSEO.
   ?

[Brandon Sheley]

Originally Posted by ITDevil

1. You can not unencrypt, I also do not think vBSEO will give unencrypted files. If I want to make them Dezend or unencrypted it cost a lot ~$15 per file which mean makes the unencryption cost would double the original price of vBSEO. Plus unencrypting vBSEO would be breaking License agreement as well.
   
2. They will have copyright removal at some point but at the moment is the forced advertisement for their product. We are paying and willing to pay more to remove the copyright but still you forcing us to advertise their product.
   
3. vBulletin do ask the information and it only during registration once you have registered they no longer show that information where as vBSEO have the information open in public forums. You can edit and see you information. vBulletin do require contact information but they do not force you enter you Business information. vBulletin require this information for VAT process. vB is Long Run Company and you are comparing it a newly born add-on. Asking for a forum URL and Contact person is OK, but asking for you Business and other detail information in order to download the last vBSEO copy is wrong and mean. Once you bought the copy and it has been over 4months and no charge back why still they need our address and business information? Only thing if they need to be worry is chargeback’s, which usually occurs within month maximum. Why them we are now forced to put our contact information if we wish to download newer copy of vBSEO.
   ?

• there is no reason to un encrypt the files. I was just pointing out that if yoru worried about what the script is doing, then you can look for yourself.. personally I don't care, I know it works great and thats good enough for me
• you have the no follow attribute to the links so it's not like your helping them as far as SE bots are concerned.. and like I said, I have my affliate link in the footer so it's making me money too,, also you can alter it so it's not a link.. the copyright isn't a big deal for me either.
• This is petty stuff, it seems your grabbing at anything that you can, This isn't isn't public and in fact doesn't even have to be your real addy or name, they are just trying to protect themselves,, there are some members that will give the newest script to nullers and this is one reason vbseo does this, to try and stop ppl from doing this.
  

-Brandon

[DChapman]

Originally Posted by Brandon

wow, well at least your honest

It's sad that we live in a world where, when someone is honest, it surprises others.

Sad and disheartening.

Originally Posted by Brandon

I think he is saying, and I agree..

That if you don't know what you're doing and you start changing your URL structure, then something happens to the mod_rewrite and you have to chance the URL again, that all those indexed pages will now be lost and you will have to get your site re-indexed..

there are many more dangerous things that could be done if SEO is done badly, but this is an easy one to explain quickly.

I'm saying there isn't an SEO solution on the market for vBulletin that doesn't do more harm than good (Zoints SEO included) unless you REALLY know what you're doing. And 99.5% of people do not know what they are doing.

Frankly, I never should have released Zoints SEO. It was a stupid decision on my part.

There was a time when SEO mattered because the search engines could not properly index dynamic content. There was a time when on-page manipulation for increased rankings in the SERPs was quite easy. Neither are true anymore.

I'll be attacked because of this and that's fine. But the fact is, I'm right. SEO is stupid and deprecated. Focus on quality content and increasing the number of pages you have indexed. Become a reputable source.

[eric]

You sound sad and I understand you. Being honest these days is questionable and people wonder what is behind it. We're in a money driven world...

You have made a nice product that technically speaking works according me. But it isn't your fault if people don't know what it can do positive or worse negative. Somehow no one and certainly not you have forced people to use it. We install it freely. Only maybe you could try to explain what are the traps to avoid and what the consequences are using your tool.
Guess you did already somewhere but still since you started here. I'm curious to know what you mean by doing more harm then good if...
I imagine all your indexed pages change url so basically you loose all past benefit... like starting from scratch...

[da420]

What is the difference between Rewrite URLs and insert keywords and Rewrite URLs and insert keywords, using mod_rewrite?

[Brandon Sheley]

do what ?
I don't really understand your question.

and can you check your PM's I sent you one when you signed up.

thx.

[PN_Freeman]

We're currently using vBSEO, but its way to expensive, IMHO.

Trying to get a successful forum established these days is like trying to stick jello to a wall. Repurchasing vBSEO every time you change your URL is ridiculous.

I can't wait until a GOOD open source SEO product becomes available.

[ChopSuey]

Originally Posted by PN_Freeman

We're currently using vBSEO, but its way to expensive, IMHO.

Trying to get a successful forum established these days is like trying to stick jello to a wall. Repurchasing vBSEO every time you change your URL is ridiculous.

I can't wait until a GOOD open source SEO product becomes available.

http://forum.vbulletinsetup.com/f121/

[Michael Biddle]

Originally Posted by PN_Freeman

We're currently using vBSEO, but its way to expensive, IMHO.

Trying to get a successful forum established these days is like trying to stick jello to a wall. Repurchasing vBSEO every time you change your URL is ridiculous.

I can't wait until a GOOD open source SEO product becomes available.

Why do you have to re-purchase the license? If it is active and has not been transferred in the previous 90 days, you can transfer your domain name. I do not know why you would want to change to Zoints. That is like going from vB to phpbb.