vBulletin 4.0 is going to cost even more? (vBulletin Leaked)

Lizard King · 05-15-2009, 01:46 AM

As long as there is vBSEO , i can continue using vBulletin just because of the SEO optimization vBSEO offers and i fail to find a similar solution for any other forum package.

**Joy** · 05-15-2009, 02:16 AM

I think it would be nice if vB release a public announcement now.

**noppid** · 05-15-2009, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ohiosweetheart

It would really hurt me to leave vB. A good part of my income is made styling vB. So if I did go to another source, it would cause a huge disruption in my life.

However, I can't just stay with the 3x series either. People are going to want vb4 styles. If I don't give that to them, that will affect my income as well.

It's a no win situation for me. I have to upgrade. to 4 regardless whether I like it or not.

But now is the time to diversify. The writing in on the wall.

Remember the eggs in one basket comment?

Time to get going on other platforms with that styling talent.

**noppid** · 05-15-2009, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by sinucello

Hi,
Elgg offers some things that are very useful. Like the dashboard that informs you about stuff that really matters to you. You don`t have to filter through a lot of noise to get the things you`re interested in. You can set up your personal news-stream and see what your friends are doing.

But the group/forum part is far from what we are used to. If the forum part could be replaced by vB or the other way round: if the dashboard, unified search, wire from Elgg could be added to vB that would be so awesome.

all the best,
Sacha

I agree with that 100%. The forum side did not impress me. Didn't the lead coder at elgg leave to do something else?

But as I said. I believe that except for the strong existing forums, forums are yesterday.

**Caddyman** · 05-15-2009, 04:21 AM

elgg is ok i guess

what are you guys thoughts on phpfox? i think it's pretty sexy...

**noppid** · 05-15-2009, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Caddyman

elgg is ok i guess

what are you guys thoughts on phpfox? i think it's pretty sexy...

Ellg is ok. I don't think it's ready for prime time. But it's a cool app. I like the coding a lot.

I have heard of phpfox, but I can't remember what it is. I'll have a look out of curiosity.

**Caddyman** · 05-15-2009, 04:30 AM

run it through google and check out the demo, please do let me hear your thoughts on it noppid, what do you think of the code, etc.

**ohiosweetheart** · 05-15-2009, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by noppid

But now is the time to diversify. The writing in on the wall.

Remember the eggs in one basket comment?

Time to get going on other platforms with that styling talent.

Tis true. Perhaps I will download a copy of MyBB.

I need a larger vps package.

**Vampyre** · 05-15-2009, 04:33 AM

I own 6 vB licenses, but have been evaluating Discuz! quite a bit lately.
The downside is that for a very large board, Discuz! can be a resource hog.

**noppid** · 05-15-2009, 04:36 AM

I will take another quick look. But if price is anyone's concern, phpfox seems to be pricey and have a six month payment cycle. Is that right?

Lizard King · 05-15-2009, 04:39 AM

ExpressionEngine is what i am checking lately. Downside they dont have an importer. Overall very quality product.

**Caddyman** · 05-15-2009, 04:40 AM

yeah, looks like it, but i am just trying to think outside the box a bit

**KevinL** · 05-15-2009, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Lizard King

ExpressionEngine is what i am checking lately. Downside they dont have an importer. Overall very quality product.

Expression Engine is pretty awesome software. I'm sure something could/would be written.

I still would stick with vb. Unless there were other products (and addons like vbseo) released for other products. People have to admit vb really stands out from the rest.

**Vampyre** · 05-15-2009, 04:58 AM

ExpressionEngine is an excellent CMS, IMHO. I've been researching how to incorporate EE with vBulletin and Menalto's Gallery lately.
(I also own licenses of PhotoPost Pro, Classifieds and ReviewPost, but still love Menalto's Gallery.)
I've found aMember Pro, which can bridge these products together, but haven't got around to actually giving it a go yet.

I personally don't like EE forum though. It left a lot to be desired.

In regards to phpfox, I've seen many negative posts about this product in Digital Point Forums.

In the next couple of months, if vBulletin doesn't appeal to me anymore, I'll probably start purchasing Invision Power Board for my new boards instead, but keep existing boards as 3.8.x versions.
IPB is also compatible with aMember Pro.

**ohiosweetheart** · 05-15-2009, 05:15 AM

Expression Engine is what? Forum software?

**smacklan** · 05-15-2009, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ohiosweetheart

Expression Engine is what? Forum software?

EE is a free CMS that is really quite nice...easy to skin

Haven't messed with the forum side if it much myself...

**Nick R** · 05-15-2009, 05:38 AM

I know a lot of you guys don't like Boonex/Dolphin but now that some of us are looking for alternative solutions... what do you think?

**smacklan** · 05-15-2009, 05:42 AM

Not familiar with it Nick. Actually, I'm not looking for but perhaps at alternatives...I still think it will take more than IB to kill off vBulletin

**KW802** · 05-15-2009, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by smacklan

I still think it will take more than IB to kill off vBulletin

I think of combination of "IB + poor decisions + not being familiar with the vB community + too much, too fast" will be what kills vB, or at the very least, leads to vB being knocked off of the #1 spot.

**ohiosweetheart** · 05-15-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by KW802

I think of combination of "IB + poor decisions + not being familiar with the vB community + too much, too fast" will be what kills vB, or at the very least, leads to vB being knocked off of the #1 spot.

You don't think that's happening already?

**KW802** · 05-15-2009, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ohiosweetheart

You don't think that's happening already?

To some extent, yes. Based upon recent events, it *looks* like there is a power struggle going on with Jelsoft. One on hand there is the old crew who has been around for years and understands the vB community, no matter how twisted it might be

. On the other hand are a bunch of IB people who had no presence at all in the vB community before and are now making decisions & changes to bring the vBulletin product into the IB corporate structure without even thinking about what will result from their actions.

I mentioned in another post somewhere, it'll be pretty interesting to see the state of the vB community a year from now.

**KevinL** · 05-15-2009, 09:26 AM

Sometimes a good shakeup is needed in business though, things can get rather stagnant.

Who knows...things could be great a year from now.

**ohiosweetheart** · 05-15-2009, 09:55 AM

Ray Morgan posted on the vB.com thread -

vBulletin Community Forum

**KW802** · 05-15-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ohiosweetheart

Ray Morgan posted on the vB.com thread -

vBulletin Community Forum

And yet no actual information/answers is being given. Corporate responses at its best.

**ohiosweetheart** · 05-15-2009, 10:31 AM

Exactly. I DO understand that they are still discussing/talking/debating everything that was "leaked". I get that. I'm sure we all do. And I do know that they can't give any concrete answers until it's all hashed out. I get that too.

HOWEVER - I do strongly believe that with this "leak" and all of the speculation/gossip/nastiness that it has brought about, they really DO need to make a statement of some kind, whether we like what is said or not. At least they'll have made one. That is the biggest gripe right now, that's nothing's coming down the pipeline from the top brass. All they'd really have to say is, yes we're considering/planning this, yes we do acknowledge that some info was made public, and as soon as we know anything concrete at all, we'll make an announcement.

Just an acknowledgement would go a long, long way.

**Cerberus** · 05-15-2009, 10:37 AM

I honestly don't think it was leaked. This is a very old marketing strategy. You maintain that your new product is leaked in order to gauge the reactions of your customers. This way you get a more unbiased response, than telling them this is what we are going to do. Now, its merely speculation and you can change what you were going to do based on what kind of feedback you are given. So, basicly if you were going to say we were going to do this, and people didnt like it, you would be the bad guy. Now, instead of saying so, you can see what they think without being the bad guy, and if you choose to you can change what you were going to do and look like the good guy. I honestly dont think it was a true leak.

**ohiosweetheart** · 05-15-2009, 10:51 AM

Well, that's why I keep saying "leaked" - it may or may not have been. Who knows for sure. But your opinion makes alot of sense.

**Rocket 442** · 05-15-2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Caddyman

elgg is ok i guess

what are you guys thoughts on phpfox? i think it's pretty sexy...

I despise phpfox.

I find it slow and the admin area to be horribly designed. That reminds me, I've gotta cancel my payment to them before the end of the month.

After going side by side, I'd take elgg in a heartbeat over phpfox, and its quite a bit cheaper too.

**smacklan** · 05-15-2009, 11:27 AM

Keir stated on IRC that it was an error and he caught it but he wasn't going to say who made the error

**2dub** · 05-15-2009, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus

I honestly don't think it was leaked. This is a very old marketing strategy. You maintain that your new product is leaked in order to gauge the reactions of your customers. This way you get a more unbiased response, than telling them this is what we are going to do. Now, its merely speculation and you can change what you were going to do based on what kind of feedback you are given. So, basicly if you were going to say we were going to do this, and people didnt like it, you would be the bad guy. Now, instead of saying so, you can see what they think without being the bad guy, and if you choose to you can change what you were going to do and look like the good guy. I honestly dont think it was a true leak.

Ding, Ding, Ding.... We've got a winner