vBulletin 4.0 is going to cost even more? (vBulletin Leaked)

**KevinL** · 05-15-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rocket 442

I despise phpfox.

I find it slow and the admin area to be horribly designed. That reminds me, I've gotta cancel my payment to them before the end of the month.

After going side by side, I'd take elgg in a heartbeat over phpfox, and its quite a bit cheaper too.

I actually like phpfox. It takes A LOT to get used to. But once you do it's not bad.

I have been kicking around for sometime about buying a license for them again. But I haven't been able to pull the trigger...probably won't either haha

**Cerberus** · 05-15-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 2dub

Ding, Ding, Ding.... We've got a winner

Well, after reading everything I have read and seeing the reaction of the vbulletin staff, I honestly dont think it was a leak. This seems like a very well planned strategy on their part to guage the interest of their community. Which I guess is not a bad idea, but it is kind of a shady thing to do to the customers. You could have just used a survey or something to ask them.

**KW802** · 05-15-2009, 12:00 PM

Too many conspiracy theories.

Whomever was creating the new forums over at vB.com screwed up the permissions, simple as that. Most of us have done it at one point in time (which highlights a need in the ACP for some confirmation buttons when working with permissions). I'm sure that other information was seen in the accidentally exposed forums that we would find interesting but information about vB4 is the hot topic we all care about right now so that is why you're seeing everybody talk about that one individual thread.

**Cerberus** · 05-15-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KW802

Too many conspiracy theories.

Whomever was creating the new forums over at vB.com screwed up the permissions, simple as that. Most of us have done it at one point in time (which highlights a need in the ACP for some confirmation buttons when working with permissions). I'm sure that other information was seen in the accidentally exposed forums that we would find interesting but information about vB4 is the hot topic we all care about right now so that is why you're seeing everybody talk about that one individual thread.

Sure, on a forum in which people have been creating forums for years and developing the software, they accidentally messed up and didnt notice it long enough for someone to copy everything? Wow that is some mess up...

**KW802** · 05-15-2009, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus

Sure, on a forum in which people have been creating forums for years and developing the software, they accidentally messed up and didnt notice it long enough for someone to copy everything? Wow that is some mess up...

You do realize that there are now people on staff over at vB.com who had no prior experience with vB, right?

**Big Dan** · 05-15-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KW802

Too many conspiracy theories.

Whomever was creating the new forums over at vB.com screwed up the permissions, simple as that. Most of us have done it at one point in time (which highlights a need in the ACP for some confirmation buttons when working with permissions). I'm sure that other information was seen in the accidentally exposed forums that we would find interesting but information about vB4 is the hot topic we all care about right now so that is why you're seeing everybody talk about that one individual thread.

I'm quite frankly shocked that they don't have a separate forum with different logins on a subdomain for these kinds of discussions. Perhaps a lesson learned even if the leak was bogus.

As for Usergroups and permissions every time I add a forum or User group I go through and double check permissions on each forum, for my peace of mind.

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Brandon do you realize the word peace is replaced by an emoticon? You're only seeing it because I wrapped it in noprase tags.

**Nick R** · 05-15-2009, 12:41 PM

I see the possibility of it being publicized on purpose. I'm not sure I believe it, but sure it certainly is a possibility.

As for the permissions "error". Off the top of my head, I can only think of one way to allow access to an entire category at once and that is by clicking the "revert" button in the forum permission setup area. First of all, the new forum they added (Licensed Customer Feedback) wasn't anywhere near the top where the staff forums were so I have no idea what they were doing at the top of the page. Secondly, how does one accidentally click "revert" and not notice it for over 12 minutes? Even somebody who hasn't worked with vBulletin before should be able to figure that one out.

**KW802** · 05-15-2009, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick R

... As for the permissions "error". Off the top of my head, I can only think of one way to allow access to an entire category at once and that is by clicking the "revert" button in the forum permission setup area. First of all, the new forum they added (Licensed Customer Feedback) wasn't anywhere near the top where the staff forums were so I have no idea what they were doing at the top of the page. Secondly, how does one accidentally click "revert" and not notice it for over 12 minutes? Even somebody who hasn't worked with vBulletin before should be able to figure that one out.

Don't forget that they changed the permissions of the "Announcements Discussions" forum to block out people from posting in there; my guess is that somebody trying to revert the permissions for that forum screwed up big time.

**Nick R** · 05-15-2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KW802

Don't forget that they changed the permissions of the "Announcements Discussions" forum to block out people from posting in there; my guess is that somebody trying to revert the permissions for that forum screwed up big time.

They had made that change the day before.

**KW802** · 05-15-2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick R

They had made that change the day before.

Either way, it was still just stupid mistake on somebody's behalf, nothing more.

For those who want to believe in conspiracy theories, I recommend this...

**Cerberus** · 05-15-2009, 01:40 PM

It's not possible that it was a mistake, if so it would have only been a matter of seconds to a minute in which it was changed back. And the fact people staff there without experience, does not mean they have admin access to mess with permissions and forums. That is why we have admin permissions in the acp. They did this on purpose, it's fairly obvious. No conspiracy theory at all, just a marketing tactic

**KW802** · 05-15-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus

It's not possible that it was a mistake, if so it would have only been a matter of seconds to a minute in which it was changed back. And the fact people staff there without experience, does not mean they have admin access to mess with permissions and forums. That is why we have admin permissions in the acp. They did this on purpose, it's fairly obvious. No conspiracy theory at all, just a marketing tactic

Thanks, that was good for a laugh on a Friday night to end the work week.

**Cerberus** · 05-15-2009, 01:58 PM

So your saying that when you make a mistake, you don't fix it right away? And that everyone on your forum who is an admin has access to full permissions? Do you even know the definition of a conspiracy? Just a couple questions that come to my mind, but like I said that's my opinion. But, if you laugh at sound logical points, then stupid answers must what, make you cry? Who knows

**KW802** · 05-15-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus

So your saying that when you make a mistake, you don't fix it right away? And that everyone on your forum who is an admin has access to full permissions? Do you even know the definition of a conspiracy? Just a couple questions that come to my mind, but like I said that's my opinion. But, if you laugh at sound logical points, then stupid answers must what, make you cry? Who knows

A) If I *know* about a mistake I made, of course it gets fixed. B) I am not dumb enough to make several people on staff have admin access. C) Yes, I know the definition quite well. I also know when people use the word incorrectly or try to make up them up because they want to play devil's advocate. D) Let me know where the "sound logical points" are.

**ohiosweetheart** · 05-15-2009, 03:27 PM

I understand what Kevin's saying and I guess I do have to agree. Cerberus mistakes are made all the time. I've been a vB owner for a bit over 3 years, and still make mistakes on forum permissions.

The fact is, since all admins can see all of the forums, one wouldn't even know that a private forum is public unless someone tells them they can see it. That has happened at this very forum, right Brandon????

And Brandon has far more vB tech experience than I do. So yes, I do believe it can happen. And most likely did.

Conspiracy theories are alot more fun tho eh?

**Cerberus** · 05-15-2009, 04:56 PM

Yeah, but it's not like they were just adding a new unused forum. They allowed access to a forum that had posts in it, which means they were playing the permissions. If they were playing with the permissions and did it on accident, they would know they did it. See what I am saying? If you change something like that on something important, you will know you did it. It's not like they made a new forum then posted in it. The forum was already there, I am willing to bet they did it on purpose.

**Big Dan** · 05-15-2009, 04:56 PM

ME loves a good bottle of rum and some conspiracy theories.

**ohiosweetheart** · 05-15-2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus

Yeah, but it's not like they were just adding a new unused forum. They allowed access to a forum that had posts in it, which means they were playing the permissions. If they were playing with the permissions and did it on accident, they would know they did it. See what I am saying? If you change something like that on something important, you will know you did it. It's not like they made a new forum then posted in it. The forum was already there, I am willing to bet they did it on purpose.

not true hun.

Brandon was tweaking, and ultimately messed up, the permissions on an existing forum on this site, not a new forum. And I have done the same thing on my site. You're saying that you'd immediately know, and that's just not true, unless you have some kind of warning device on yours that I don't know about. I didn't know I'd messed up my permissions til someone told me they could see my admin forum, and the same thing happened here on vB Setup. I've seen it happen on other forums as well.

It happens sometimes, it just does.

**Cerberus** · 05-15-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ohiosweetheart

not true hun.

Brandon was tweaking, and ultimately messed up, the permissions on an existing forum on this site, not a new forum. And I have done the same thing on my site. You're saying that you'd immediately know, and that's just not true, unless you have some kind of warning device on yours that I don't know about. I didn't know I'd messed up my permissions til someone told me they could see my admin forum, and the same thing happened here on vB Setup. I've seen it happen on other forums as well.

It happens sometimes, it just does.

Maybe so hun, I guess I am just really anal when messing with things in the panel. And I like to measure 100 times and cut twice.

**ohiosweetheart** · 05-15-2009, 06:01 PM

Well, you can bet they'll be doing that from now on. I know I will be.

**KW802** · 05-15-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Dan

ME loves a good bottle of rum and some conspiracy theories.

I don't drink so I enjoy my conspiracy theories with a tall glass of cold chocolate milk fresh from the local dairy farm.

**Nick R** · 05-15-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus

Wow. Now Now Now bro. No need to get personal. Plus, the bell hasnt rung yet. Please both of you go to neutral corners and when the bell rings, come out swinging.

I edited it and toned it down just a tad. :p

**ohiosweetheart** · 05-16-2009, 04:10 AM

ROFL too funny

**popowich** · 05-16-2009, 04:52 AM

I don't use social groups. It was nice that they added the albums but it sucks that the links to the pictures are dynamic and don't end in a linkable .jpg extension. The BB code doesn't work since phpBB style forums won't let you link to that image code! Anyway, there hasn't been much of anything new in vB3 that I use for a while now. If there are any shenanigans with the licensing I'll just stick with vB3. It's not worth it to me to pay $200/site to upgrade to vB4 even if it comes with a pretty pink pony.

-Raymond

**Cerberus** · 05-16-2009, 04:41 PM

Poor Hawks, she is getting like quadruple teamed...Anyway, to get back on track here ..

.. So what do you think of the supposed new features they are adding? I dont see anything that sounds worthwhile in all this leaked news.

**Caddyman** · 05-16-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus

Poor Hawks, she is getting like quadruple teamed...Anyway, to get back on track here ..

.. So what do you think of the supposed new features they are adding? I dont see anything that sounds worthwhile in all this leaked news.

thank you.

**~kev~** · 05-16-2009, 05:07 PM

So no more vbulletin support without an extra cost? That is pretty freaking sorry. I'am willing to pay a yearly fee to keep my license active and receive support. But I am not willing to pay money per incident.

Overall, I think this is an insult to the vbulletin.

**twhiting** · 05-16-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ~kev~

So no more vbulletin support without an extra cost? That is pretty freaking sorry. I'am willing to pay a yearly fee to keep my license active and receive support. But I am not willing to pay money per incident.

Overall, I think this is an insult to the vbulletin.

I think the cost was yearly ($80), but I could have read that wrong.
I do agree though that 30 days support is pretty messed up. I mean, not that I have USED support but like a handful of times in 6 years now, but still, come on, we pay for product, why shouldn't we get support here?

**Nick R** · 05-16-2009, 06:00 PM

Regarding the support, I believe you still get free forum support forever. The time-limit is only for support tickets.

However, I'm sure that the support team will be persuaded into reducing their time offering help in the support forum since they seem to want to weed out the customers who don't want to pay very much and praise those who want everything.

**ohiosweetheart** · 05-16-2009, 06:01 PM

@ twhiting - you're correct, it was $80 per year, after the 30 support. Keep in mind that this is for new purchases tho. We still do not know how they're going to handle current customers.