vbulletin.com updated to 4.0?

**scottct1** · 10-22-2009, 11:54 AM

Wow this is looking like a real easy upgrade.

Still down...

**Been Told** · 10-22-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by scottct1

Wow this is looking like a real easy upgrade.

Still down...

Yeah I remember reading Ray's announcement, saying that "if we run into any problems, we will just revert to the original version."

**Brandon Sheley** · 10-22-2009, 12:04 PM

nice URL
Maintenance: vBulletin.com Support Forums

**Been Told** · 10-22-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Brandon Sheley

nice URL
Maintenance: vBulletin.com Support Forums

How about this URL:
http://not-the.best-forum-software.com/maintenance.html

Or:

http://was-the.best-forum-software.com/maintenance.html

**rsdworker** · 10-22-2009, 12:12 PM

woah - something is up in air

**Brandon Sheley** · 10-22-2009, 12:16 PM

I like this one

Maintenance: vBulletin.com Support Forums

and here is a quote from Wayne at adminaddict

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke

Upgrade actually went fine. Took a little longer than expected but went fine. Forums are up behind that maintenance screen, indexes rebuilt and so forth. There are other non-technical issues at work. We'll open the forums to the public as soon as those issues get resolved.

**v7web** · 10-22-2009, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Brandon Sheley

I like this one

Maintenance: vBulletin.com Support Forums

and here is a quote from Wayne at adminaddict

Thats funny!!
Do you actually think that , if the upgrade had gone fine that they wouldn't have put it live.
They are obviously having problems.

This is the only thing I cant get to grips with about new vBulletin teams ethics of treating users like they are idiots.
Just tell the truth!!!

**Brandon Sheley** · 10-22-2009, 12:27 PM

I wouldn't jump to conclusions

**GTAce** · 10-22-2009, 12:54 PM

Ok, first, let's assume that they tested the full upgrade of their support forums before actually performing the upgrade on their live forums.

Assuming this is the case, it had to have taken them this long to perform their test upgrade as well. Why in the world would they upgrade their support forums to the latest version of the software they are trying to promote/sell if it would take them so long to do it? We're now at 11 hours and counting...

What kind of impression does this leave on customers who are trying to decide whether or not they want to purchase the v4 and upgrade? IB should have at least waited until their "pre-sale" promotion was over to do this

**sagar** · 10-22-2009, 01:47 PM

I think VB team under treamendous pressure due to community uproad and hurriedly took a decision to give users a live experience on VB4 partly to calm down community and partly to get more suite upgrade converts

**ohiosweetheart** · 10-22-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by smacklan

But he was on the Alpha team so he still should be a part...so I'm confused??

No he wasn't on the team.
Joey and miner were both on my license, so they had access to the alpha forum

**smacklan** · 10-22-2009, 02:06 PM

Note to promote another site but you all may find this interesting:

http://www.adminaddict.net/forum/gen...ex7/#post51583

**Brandon Sheley** · 10-22-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by smacklan

Note to promote another site but you all may find this interesting:

Jelsoft a little stuck on themselves? - Page 7

Not a problem, I can't believe he posted that there and not on vb.org or the twitter accounts like you suggested.
Here is a quote from Ray

Quote:

Greetings all,

Well, we've had our share of excitement this morning, and since this thread was going on, I hope you don't mind my popping in to explain what's going on over at vb.com.

We decided to take some extra time before bringing the forums back up this morning after the upgrade to 4.0. Briefly, here's what happened.

First, the good news: The installation of 4.0 itself actually went as planned. The upgrade to 4.0 Publishing Suite from the 3.8.4 base product was seamless, and that agrees with the success the alpha/beta team has seen up to this point.

The issues we encountered were related to the fact that the instance of vB running on vBulletin.com has integration points with various business systems: administration, release management, ticket support, the product information site, and more. Cooler heads make better problem solvers, so we chose to investigate and solve the problems with the site offline rather than live to the world.

The issues we ran into are unique to our environment, and they are not things that would factor into a normal customer installation.

Our forums are actually up, running and stable now, but are only accessible to our internal staff. Given that this is such an important upgrade, we're taking our time and being careful, and we're planning on opening our forums back up tomorrow morning.

Him posting it on an admin site which focus isn't 100% to vBulletin makes it seem like a big Joke IMHO
Why didn't he post it on the 100's of other admin related sites?

I just lost a little more respect for iNet

**smacklan** · 10-22-2009, 04:58 PM

I'm neither an enemy or a blind fanboy of vBulletin. I certainly have no particular loyalty to IB at all other than my business depends on them not screwing up vB. Having said all that, read what Ray said carefully. Think about it. Is it just me or does all of that sound like a complete load of rubbish?

**RaceJunkie** · 10-22-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by smacklan

I'm neither an enemy or a blind fanboy of vBulletin. I certainly have no particular loyalty to IB at all other than my business depends on them not screwing up vB. Having said all that, read what Ray said carefully. Think about it. Is it just me or does all of that sound like a complete load of rubbish?

Complete BS is what it is.. I agree with another poster, why not send out a mass email about what is going on. Hell if I had not came here I would have never known about that site.

**smacklan** · 10-22-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RaceJunkie

Complete BS is what it is.. I agree with another poster, why not send out a mass email about what is going on. Hell if I had not came here I would have never known about that site.

I think IB is either just plain stupid or really doesn't give a flip if they offend people. I mean seriously, how many people do they really think fall for their propaganda?

**fattony69** · 10-22-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by smacklan

I think IB is either just plain stupid or really doesn't give a flip if they offend people. I mean seriously, how many people do they really think fall for their propaganda?

Do you honestly believe that they will say: Listen guys, we F-'ed Up? HELL NO.

**smacklan** · 10-22-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by fattony69

Do you honestly believe that they will say: Listen guys, we F-'ed Up? HELL NO.

I honestly don't believe they did. What I think happened is someone (or more) in a suit got cold feet about what the masses were about to see. Just my personal opinion

**GTAce** · 10-22-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by smacklan

Having said all that, read what Ray said carefully. Think about it. Is it just me or does all of that sound like a complete load of rubbish?

One of two things happened:

1) They are clueless when it comes to a major overhaul in a production environment and failed miserably on the conversion
2) They're lying through their teeth

This takes me back to my last post....Did they not TEST this conversion before actually doing it live?! They should have been able to anticipate what they are describing...This is not the kind of thing that jumps up and surprises you. You not only test the forum conversion itself but also everything that depends on it...It's not rocket science.

There is just no excuse for what Ray is describing even IF it is the truth.

**RaceJunkie** · 10-22-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by smacklan

I think IB is either just plain stupid or really doesn't give a flip if they offend people. I mean seriously, how many people do they really think fall for their propaganda?

I'm sure there are a couple but not any long time vB users for sure. Like someone posted earlier how stupid do they think we are? I think they have bit off more than they can chew with this whole presale ordeal and no public beta.

**RaceJunkie** · 10-22-2009, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTAce

This takes me back to my last post....Did they not TEST this conversion before actually doing it live?! They should have been able to anticipate what they are describing...This is not the kind of thing that jumps up and surprises you. You not only test the forum conversion itself but also everything that depends on it...It's not rocket science.

One of two things happened:

1) They are clueless when it comes to a major overhaul in a production environment and failed miserably on the conversion
2) They're lying through their teeth

There is just no excuse for what Ray is describing even IF it is the truth.

I think it's all of the above..LOL

**KevinL** · 10-22-2009, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smacklan

I honestly don't believe they did. What I think happened is someone (or more) in a suit got cold feet about what the masses were about to see. Just my personal opinion

Bingo

**Michael Biddle** · 10-22-2009, 06:02 PM

It could be the cold feet. However I have seen first hand that the upgrade from 3.8.4 to 4.0 Suite is flawless.

**Brandon Sheley** · 10-22-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Biddle

It could be the cold feet. However I have seen first hand that the upgrade from 3.8.4 to 4.0 Suite is flawless.

good to hear

**ChopSuey** · 10-22-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Brandon Sheley

Not a problem, I can't believe he posted that there and not on vb.org or the twitter accounts like you suggested.
Here is a quote from Ray

Him posting it on an admin site which focus isn't 100% to vBulletin makes it seem like a big Joke IMHO
Why didn't he post it on the 100's of other admin related sites?

I just lost a little more respect for iNet

He posted that on AA? LOL.

**Brandon Sheley** · 10-22-2009, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ChopSuey

He posted that on AA? LOL.

yup, Ray did
SmackLAN posted a link to his update

**r1lover** · 10-22-2009, 06:43 PM

Just another step down the ladder for IB, loosing more and more respect each day and also customers as well.

**Hostboard** · 10-22-2009, 07:15 PM

One would think that a post like that should have been made on their down for maintenance page and not on some forum that not everone knows about or visits. But then again this is the same company that posts an end of life for Project Tools on a FAQ page and not an announcement

Just PAR for the course as far as I am concerned

**Been Told** · 10-22-2009, 09:31 PM

Wayne said on vb.com that they have a test forum (the alpha test forum) and they also have another forum which is an old-ish instance of the current vb.com board. So I would assume that includes all the stuff Ray was talking about.
If they have tested the upgrade process there, they must have also tested those external things.
I just find it all hard to believe.

**Soliloquy** · 10-22-2009, 09:56 PM

I hope when I upgrade a single forum to v4 that I don't have "other non-technical issues at work" for 11 hours...