vbulletin.com updated to 4.0?

**fattony69** · 10-15-2009, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ohiosweetheart

has anyone noticed Steve's absense?

Yes, but I don't think he is really gone, but just keeping quiet.

On another note, this pertains to anyone who is the same boat as I am. Those who purchased the blogs and now have to "re-purchase" them.

vBulletin Community Forum - View Single Post - So why does it cost $130 or $250 to upgrade blogs?

**rsdworker** · 10-15-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by r1lover

It would be nice to be a fly on the wall in that office in LA....... can't tell if they are sitting back getting drunk or actually doing something about this mess.... my guess is they expected this and are waiting it out and then will come back with some small changes to try and show good faith to the customers.

Bottom line is we will see this outrage again when it's released, just like we did a month or two back... this is a three part plan they have and are playing it out as planned.

Drop a bomb.... act like it was a mistake leak.
wait for the feedback......
make some small changes to please some
Drop another bomb.....
sit back and ignore everyone for a few days
make some small changes to please some
Drop another bomb....
wait yet again for the response.....
Make a couple changes... to please some...

Done deal.... site back with half the customers you had before and make more money because you are charging them more then double as before.

This plan works because most of their time is spent on support....... they now have half the customers they had before so support is a little less busy due to not as many customers.

yeah - its called cycle which its really not surpising

**GeminiFilly** · 10-15-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Brandon Sheley

nope, you're not going to have that option again.

Thanks for the reply Brandon, I suspected as much and wanted to be sure before pursuing...

This email was received 3 days ago.. parts there in...

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Renewal for an owned license is $60.

If they are operating under the guise of California law they best brush up on the governing laws regarding deceptive trade practice then...'nuff said.

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(9) Advertises goods or services with intent not to sell them as advertised;

(10) Advertises goods or services with intent not to supply reasonably expectable public demand, unless the advertisement discloses a limitation of quantity;

(11) Makes false or misleading statements of fact concerning the reasons for, existence of, or amounts of, price reductions; or

(12) Engages in any other conduct which similarly creates a likelihood of confusion or of misunderstanding.

**rsdworker** · 10-15-2009, 08:45 PM

yeah - i wanted to upgrade to that one without paying because i am existing forum holder = not the suite - they should done if they upgraded to that license without paying because i have owned license

Renewal for an owned license is $60. = £36 pounds for renewal

**Been Told** · 10-16-2009, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by fattony69

Yes, but I don't think he is really gone, but just keeping quiet.

On another note, this pertains to anyone who is the same boat as I am. Those who purchased the blogs and now have to "re-purchase" them.

vBulletin Community Forum - View Single Post - So why does it cost $130 or $250 to upgrade blogs?

I WAS in the same boat too, before I successfully sold one of my licenses here. With the other I'm probably gonna bite the bullet and buy the Suite.

**v7web** · 10-16-2009, 12:49 AM

From what I can gather, you are no longer allowed just to update an existing license, once your license runs out you have to update to vB4

I think this is very bad as we all purchased lifetime vB licenses that are now invalid when our yearly time expires.
This is a way of forcing users to update to a different license.

**darren** · 10-16-2009, 01:02 AM

Just a reminder for non US currency paying customers.

Keep an eye on the exchange rate(s) via something like XE - The World's Favorite Currency and Foreign Exchange Site since you have to the end of the month to decide.

Ofcourse it could work against you but since a lot of the major currencies are doing badly against the usd at the beginning of the month they might just pick up and you could save some money!

**DADOCTOR** · 10-16-2009, 01:39 AM

I have also noticed quite a few members (non Jelsoft) with low post counts that are answering complaints in the forum

I think they are Jelsoft employees, and they are there to quickly answer posts then close them

**rsdworker** · 10-16-2009, 02:27 AM

well i asked them on other day - currently asking for addition info because the website said its was free to upgrade to 4.0 license if i have license

here what staff said:

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Your license is already upgraded to 4.0 forum and you'll receive access once vBulletin 4.0 is released.

The only difference is that your license will expire. After the pre-sales period you can upgrade your license to one that does not expire.

**Brandon Sheley** · 10-16-2009, 05:07 AM

here is a nice page Floris put up
vBulletin.com New Situation - Prices & Information

**bobdebilder** · 10-16-2009, 07:20 AM

vB truly look to be doing a job of shooting themselves in the foot

currently my sites work fine for me .. I have everything I want

if I upgrade to vB4 and the suite, I consider that my structure will actually go backwards and I will lose the functionality I currently have

3.8 may just be to where I go and no further

**Brandon Sheley** · 10-16-2009, 07:34 AM

The only 2 plugins that I'll need to wait on before upgrading is vBSEO and GAZ
I can do without everything else until they are ported

but I don't have much patience and will most likely update as soon as I can

**bobdebilder** · 10-16-2009, 07:39 AM

honestly Drupal has become o so sweet looking to me again

the only thing I envisage I have a problem with by staying with vB3.8 is the server .. keeping old php and mysql

so we shall have to see

**GeminiFilly** · 10-16-2009, 08:26 AM

....and let's not mention the deflated value of those needing/wanting to sell their licenses.... I'm just gonna have one last vent on this as it's probably going to go down in my books as one of the worst all time business plan ventures ever by a company. Piss poor thinking, planning, informing, customer consideration.....an what I've only seen to be nothing worth the 216% increase... at the pre-sale price for a renewal/upgrade!.

WHAT WERE YOU THINKING VB!!! ..... capitalism ... uh huh we get that. *ching*... oh and add to my list of deceptive trade practices sales of product that doesn't exist... pre-sale or otherwise... can we say class action law suit? ....I don't envy them at all....not one bit.

K. I'm done... really done. . promise. LOL

**ohiosweetheart** · 10-16-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by GeminiFilly

K. I'm done... really done. . promise. LOL

uh huh......... lol

**Mikey** · 10-16-2009, 09:53 AM

Jelsoft doesn't exist anymore, it's vBulletin Solutions, the Jelsoft everyone knew and loved died with kier, mike, and the others leaving the team, now it's just a name IB owns.

**rsdworker** · 10-16-2009, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikey

Jelsoft doesn't exist anymore, it's vBulletin Solutions, the Jelsoft everyone knew and loved died with kier, mike, and the others leaving the team, now it's just a name IB owns.

how you know?

**Been Told** · 10-16-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rsdworker

how you know?

Check the new website. The word "Jelsoft" does not appear anywhere anymore. It's all "vBulletin Sollutions" now. Which is a USA based company (Los Angeles) and a wholly owned subsidiary of Internet Brands (NASDAQ: INET).

**rsdworker** · 10-16-2009, 12:13 PM

yeah i saw after replying - its looks like they took over

**Mikey** · 10-16-2009, 01:39 PM

No, they took over back in 07, but IB have now in effect, dissolved Jelsoft, so it's all but a name which is used in the UK to flaunt our data protection laws.

Jelsoft, and vBulletin Solutions are registered trademarks of Internet Brands Inc. (NASDAQ: INET)

**Been Told** · 10-16-2009, 02:41 PM

I am cracking up... I made a thread in which I asked how I could contact the CEO of Internet Brands.

Guess what happened? It got deleted without a comment or a reason why.

It's ridiculous and it makes IB look EXTREMELY childish and unprofessional. It's almost like they're scared of people "telling the boss." But there's no reason. What is he gonna do?
This "don't bother with clients, make the bucks" line must be coming from somewhere. And from where if not right from the top?

**Cindyl10** · 10-16-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by darren

Am I reading this wrong but does this say that if you have an active license you can upgrade to 4.0 for free but when your license runs out (as you can't renew it) you then have to shell out for the full package to get further upgrades to 4.0?

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Originally Posted by Brandon Sheley

If you have an active license when 4.0 comes out, you'll get the free upgrade (not the suite)

I'm still very confused by all this... Could someone explain what the difference is between the upgrade and the suite? Is the suite just something like the VBadvanced that I already have?

Also does anyone know what will happen to skins we have installed if/when we upgrade to 4.0? Will they still work properly? What about the vbadvanced? Will it work with 4.0? (I have 3.8.0 now)

**Brandon Sheley** · 10-16-2009, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindyl10

I'm still very confused by all this... Could someone explain what the difference is between the upgrade and the suite? Is the suite just something like the VBadvanced that I already have?

you have 2 options

the forum
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the forum, CMS & blogs

if you have an active license when 4.0 goes GOLD, you'll be able to down but only get updates as long as your license is right now.

you can buy a brand new license at that point for $195 if you wish to continue through the life cycle of 4.0

When 5.0 comes out, you'll have to spent 195 again... same with 6.0, 7.0 etc..

There are running a sale on the Suite (forum, CMS, blogs) for 130 upgrade.
So if you have an license already you can upgrade it to receive 4.0 updates.

or you can by a brand new suite for 4.0 for a sale price of 235$
the "regular" price of the suite is 285$

also with the suite you get support tickets, with the forum you must pay more for that

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Also does anyone know what will happen to skins we have installed if/when we upgrade to 4.0? Will they still work properly? What about the vbadvanced? Will it work with 4.0? (I have 3.8.0 now)

it will definitely need redone for 4.0
vba will need to be updated by Brian and his dev's

**GeminiFilly** · 10-16-2009, 08:18 PM

This was kind of a cool read for those who haven't seen it yet.. (sorry if it's already been posted here, did a quick scan but couldn't find it), I'm sure this is a lot of mock up and such but some nice stuff coming our way with it..First Look: The vBulletin 4.0 Style - vBulletin Community Forum

.. also they've added the Forums option now to the purchasing upgrade page so they're working on things it seems. ...also read not much is planned on being changed in the admin cp, *phew*, that was a huge thing for me as I just don't have time to learn something over right now...

..with change comes controversy and I guess we roll with it and move on, things roll off me pretty quickly usually so go with the flow I say. Going to wait till the deadline to see what transpires before I shell out $ but really liking the front end styling.

**DADOCTOR** · 10-16-2009, 11:24 PM

Is it possible to look at the figures of IB or Jelsoft,
For example there should be company figures, profit/loss stats from last year? for vBulletin.

**DADOCTOR** · 10-16-2009, 11:38 PM

I hope someone can answer this for me,

I have 2 owned licenses and am running 3.7.4 my license expires April 2010

If I now purchase the discounted upgrade for 4.0, will I still get support for what I running now?
Do I have to upgrade to 4.0 when my current license expires?

Thanks
Ryan

**Been Told** · 10-16-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DADOCTOR

Is it possible to look at the figures of IB or Jelsoft,
For example there should be company figures, profit/loss stats from last year? for vBulletin.

Internet Brands, Inc. - Google Finance

**Been Told** · 10-16-2009, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GeminiFilly

This was kind of a cool read for those who haven't seen it yet.. (sorry if it's already been posted here, did a quick scan but couldn't find it), I'm sure this is a lot of mock up and such but some nice stuff coming our way with it..First Look: The vBulletin 4.0 Style - vBulletin Community Forum

If you look at those screenshots and at what can be seen on the vBulletin Website, it's like looking at completely different things.
Kier's mockups look modern, clean. The ones posted on vBulletin.com look like a blander version of the new standard IPB style.

**bobdebilder** · 10-17-2009, 12:01 AM

time for a new blog for me relating to vB4 .. a touch of the compulsive buyers pattern and the seemingly vB trend towards the old microsoft monopoly attitude

o my

**juster** · 10-17-2009, 12:14 AM

If you are doing fine at this moment, keep it that way. You can also renew your license and get the latest version before 4.0 and stick with that. Last option is to go totaly for 4.0. But you must look what is best for your board.
Maybe you can do it with your current version for the next 5/10 years. After that you probaly must upgrade due to developments on internet etc.

So the new 4.0 does not force current users to upgrade and you always will get support. But for ticketsupport you do need an active license and only if the version is not legacy. But let's be honest, with almost any version you will get fine support anywhere.