vbulletin.com updated to 4.0?

**DADOCTOR** · 10-17-2009, 12:22 AM

Thanks for your help juster,

I am thinking of renewing my license so that I can download 4.0 and upgrade my test forum. So that I can work on it there.

Is anyone else going to do this?

**juster** · 10-17-2009, 01:06 AM

I asked this at vb too, because I am not sure, but as I see it now, upgrading is more expencive than buying a new one (4.0 ofcourse). Why? Well, the deal is that you have to pay $175 (forum license only, not suite!)when your current license exprires to get acces to unlimited upgrades. But, when you buy a new one instantly, you are ready and have a nice deal because the discount AND you still have a older license beside that. So 2 licenses instead of one for the price of $190 (for the suite!)

Maybe I am seeing this wrong, but I do think this is the best deal.

**rsdworker** · 10-17-2009, 02:44 AM

yeah i liked kier's one

**v7web** · 10-17-2009, 03:15 AM

This straight from the horses mouth.

We expect it in Q4 2009.

vBulletin Community Forum - View Single Post - Pre-Release Questions

**juster** · 10-17-2009, 03:27 AM

And again that irritating 'expect'. Way too open for prospone (or how to you say that) that it will be in Q1 2010. They must finaly give a fixed date, come on, they are selling the product already!

**GeminiFilly** · 10-17-2009, 06:17 AM

Been watching the NASDAQ on them and think now may be a good time to buy... LOL

**fattony69** · 10-17-2009, 06:57 AM

I heard the CMS lacks and isn't that good and vBAdvanced is much better (still).

**fattony69** · 10-17-2009, 06:59 AM

If you like it, do what you do now and modify it when you get it. That's what vBulletin.org is for.

**v7web** · 10-17-2009, 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Been Told

I am cracking up... I made a thread in which I asked how I could contact the CEO of Internet Brands.

Guess what happened? It got deleted without a comment or a reason why.

It's ridiculous and it makes IB look EXTREMELY childish and unprofessional. It's almost like they're scared of people "telling the boss." But there's no reason. What is he gonna do?
This "don't bother with clients, make the bucks" line must be coming from somewhere. And from where if not right from the top?

Thats absurd, what sort of company are they!

**fattony69** · 10-17-2009, 07:03 AM

I don't think its a big deal as we are in Q4 of 2009. This could mean tomorrow till New Years Eve, but I doubt they would release it that far ahead with them making a pre-sale.

Q1
January
February
March

Q2
April
May
June

Q3
July
August
September

Q4
October
November
December

**Been Told** · 10-17-2009, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juster

I asked this at vb too, because I am not sure, but as I see it now, upgrading is more expencive than buying a new one (4.0 ofcourse). Why? Well, the deal is that you have to pay $175 (forum license only, not suite!)when your current license exprires to get acces to unlimited upgrades. But, when you buy a new one instantly, you are ready and have a nice deal because the discount AND you still have a older license beside that. So 2 licenses instead of one for the price of $190 (for the suite!)

Maybe I am seeing this wrong, but I do think this is the best deal.

That's true. Especially because then you can run a vB3.8 forum AND a vB4 forum at the same time on different sites.
If you don't need the suite, that's ok. And if you don't need customer support. Because with the new licensing system you only get 30 days of free support with the forum license. After that it's $80 per year.

**Been Told** · 10-17-2009, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fattony69

I heard the CMS lacks and isn't that good and vBAdvanced is much better (still).

I haven't heard anything yet - but I find that hard to believe... vBAdvanced is only a portal. It has no sections or categories... The CMS would have to REALLY suck, to make it worse than vBAdvanced.

**fattony69** · 10-17-2009, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Been Told

I haven't heard anything yet - but I find that hard to believe... vBAdvanced is only a portal. It has no sections or categories... The CMS would have to REALLY suck, to make it worse than vBAdvanced.

vBAdvanced is really remarkable when you actually use it to it's full capacity.

**v7web** · 10-17-2009, 07:15 AM

Don't forget fattony69 that the initial release date (leaked) was supposed to be way back in June/July, then that got pushed back and pushed back and pushed back.

**Been Told** · 10-17-2009, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by v7web

Don't forget fattony69 that the initial release date (leaked) was supposed to be way back in June/July, then that got pushed back and pushed back and pushed back.

And it went from a "complete code rewrite" to "hey at least the new templating system is new the new standard style rocks" to "oh well, the new templating system is still there."

**fattony69** · 10-17-2009, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by v7web

Don't forget fattony69 that the initial release date (leaked) was supposed to be way back in June/July, then that got pushed back and pushed back and pushed back.

I don't believe anything leaked things say until I see it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Been Told

And it went from a "complete code rewrite" to "hey at least the new templating system is new the new standard style rocks" to "oh well, the new templating system is still there."

How do you know?

**Been Told** · 10-17-2009, 07:32 AM

Because you can see it. They reneged on their proposed code rewrite. And the rest can be seen from the screenshots.
Look at Kier's screenshots and the screenshots on vB.com right now. There's a huge difference.
Or look here:
vBulletin – What Could Have Been | Paul Voth

**v7web** · 10-17-2009, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Been Told

Because you can see it. They reneged on their proposed code rewrite. And the rest can be seen from the screenshots.
Look at Kier's screenshots and the screenshots on vB.com right now. There's a huge difference.
Or look here:
vBulletin – What Could Have Been | Paul Voth

I have to agree with you Been Told, In my humble opinion Kier´s designs looked far superior.

**v7web** · 10-17-2009, 08:41 AM

I feel its worth adding your vote to this poll over at vBulletin.com

We need more time to evaluate this "pre-sale" - vBulletin Community Forum

**popowich** · 10-17-2009, 09:09 AM

I'm fine staying with 3.x. I'm not on the hunt to find some missing feature I wish I had.

I'm not a fan of groups and crazy profiles. i'm at 3.8.4 but I'd be fine with the last 3.6.x most likely for some time still into the future.

-Raymond

**Brandon Sheley** · 10-17-2009, 09:28 AM

IMHO, they still have a long ways to go until 4.0 is ready for GOLD

**bobdebilder** · 10-17-2009, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fattony69

vBAdvanced is really remarkable when you actually use it to it's full capacity.

for once could someone explain to me what the full capacity of vBadvanced is as a CMS, please?

Categories

Adding images so the text - aligns left or right with the images

Displays articles categorised on separate pages

these are the most basic features

if vBadvanced does this then I have certainly been missing something?

I think vBadvanced is great, I use it on almost every single portal I develop however I have never used it as a CMS

just a question

**bobdebilder** · 10-17-2009, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popowich

I'm fine staying with 3.x. I'm not on the hunt to find some missing feature I wish I had.

I'm not a fan of groups and crazy profiles. i'm at 3.8.4 but I'd be fine with the last 3.6.x most likely for some time still into the future.

-Raymond

Hi Ray .. I am with you on that, however in our development of the various portals I find the groups can be used quite effectively to achieve things all related UGC

so it certainly has its uses

3.6 is where I am mostly at

3.8 was a slow process towards

let's hope this whole vB4 thingie settles down soon

I am a walrus

**juster** · 10-18-2009, 07:14 AM

Pfff, I am totaly lost now. Was I thinking that the offer of $190 was an offer for customers. Now I understand it is an offer only for upgrade. That is what I found out when I started a purchase when I was logged in my account.
But in the announchement on the board they do not mention the word 'upgrade' so I was lost there.

So it seems that it s a bad bargain afterall, paying 190 to upgrade.

**Been Told** · 10-18-2009, 07:30 AM

At least if you guys CAN upgrade lol
The German customers can't start upgrading till next week. The German vB site has been offline since Oct. 14th and IB have the kindness to start work at getting it back online. But not starting till Monday... A joke.
But hey, this whole business is one big joke. I wish I could laugh about it.

**ohiosweetheart** · 10-18-2009, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobdebilder

for once could someone explain to me what the full capacity of vBadvanced is as a CMS, please?

Categories

Adding images so the text - aligns left or right with the images

Displays articles categorised on separate pages

these are the most basic features

if vBadvanced does this then I have certainly been missing something?

I think vBadvanced is great, I use it on almost every single portal I develop however I have never used it as a CMS

just a question

here's a partial list of features from the vba website -

Quote:

Over 100 default settings making almost every aspect of the product easy to customize through your vBulletin Admin CP.
Easily create and manage your site's content and add new pages via the Admin CP.
Page types include Module only, BB Code, Template, HTML File, and PHP file pages. This array makes things easy for the beginner and gives the advanced coder the tools they need.
Easily add an unlimited number of new modules without hacking any vBulletin or vBadvanced files.
Module types include BB Code, Template, and PHP file modules. Perfect for the beginner or the advanced coder.
Control access to each module or page with usergroup permissions.
Quick Permissions Editor that allows you to quickly and easily change these permission settings in all pages and modules at once.
Ability to use vBulletin's WYSIWYG post editor for BB code pages and modules.
Integration or "wrapping" the CMPS around your vBulletin forum pages can be done through the Admin CP with no file modifications required.
Easily change the look of each page with options to move or activate modules on a per-page basis.
Ability to set a different value for each module's settings on a per-page basis.
Easily copy module layouts from one page to others.
Ability to completely customize the look by adding new columns or "locations" for modules to appear in the Admin CP.
Upload / Download Module interface that makes adding a new module as simple as uploading a file through your browser.
Completely template based making every aspect easy to customize.
Over 50 hook locations making things easy for developers to customize without modifying the files.
Fully phrased to support the vBulletin language system.
Install file that will make all database queries and templates for you in seconds.
Un-installs in seconds.
Tested and stable with vBulletin 3.6.0+
Optimized to make sure your site runs at full speed.
100% validated XHTML 1.0 compliance
And Much more!

You can do much more with vba than this.

**juster** · 10-18-2009, 07:57 AM

Yes, that is also such a ridiculous thing ontop of all those other things.
And how dumb was I thinking that the 190 was the price for loyal customers for a new license.
Well, back to Earth now than!

Edit, my reply was ment for Beentold, Ohiosweetheart replied at the same time as me.