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[Brandon Sheley]

vBulletin Development Update

Things have never been busier for the vBulletin development team. The whole team is working flat-out writing specifications and code for new features and we are actively looking for and hiring new talent to assist us in this task.

With all this activity, now seems as good a time as any to talk a little about what is coming up.

Project Tools 2.0, Blog 2.0

The first things you'll see are new versions of Project Tools and Blog (both version 2.0). Those keeping up with the developer blog or the bug tracker will already know a fair bit about these two updates. The Project Tools update is already running in a beta form here on vBulletin.com, and is available to download from the Members' area. Blog 2.0 will follow in the coming weeks.

vBulletin 3.8

A little later this year, you will get your first look at vBulletin 3.8 here on vBulletin.com. While primary development efforts are focused on vBulletin 4, we felt that there is still mileage in vBulletin 3.x, so vBulletin 3.8 is a new feature release, designed to extend and improve some of the functionality introduced in vBulletin 3.7, while adding some additional goodies that we're sure people will appreciate while they wait for the arrival of vBulletin 4.

We will release more information about vBulletin 3.8 over the next few weeks, but here are a few choice morsels to whet your appetites:

Social Group Discussion Topics
This is probably the most-requested feature since the introduction of social groups in vBulletin 3.7. While the current 'social group messages' system allows messages to be posted to a social group, unlike forums it does not allow messages to be divided up into discussions. vBulletin 3.8 rectifies this, and social groups in 3.8 now have the ability to contain individual topics, each with reporting, inline moderation and many of the other tools one would expect from vBulletin.

Private Messaging Improvements
Since vBulletin 3.0, the private messaging system has remained largely unchanged. vBulletin 3.8 sees a number of changes and improvements to make the system easier to use and manage.

We have added Quick Reply to the private message viewing page, removing the need for a visit to a separate interface.
Users now have the ability to change the sort order in private message folders from the existing date-newest-first default.
In order to find what you are looking for more quickly and easily, there's now an inline search system too.

Also, as an anti-spam measure, it's now possible to limit the number of private messages any user may send in a given period of time.

Most Recently-Updated Albums
Bringing users' album pictures out of the dark recesses of their profile, vBulletin 3.8 has a system to display the most recently-updated albums from all users in a unified interface. Now everyone will know when your members upload new pictures!

Moving Album Pictures
It's now possible to move pictures from one album to another, rather than having to delete and reupload.

Thread Prefix Permissions
For those who want to be able to limit the ability of their users to access thread prefixes and prefix sets, vBulletin 3.8 now gives you that ability.

Social Group Categories
To allow users to more easily find a social group that they'd like to join, the administrator can now create categories to which social groups can belong.

Social Group Avatars
A picture is worth a thousand words, so when users create a social group, they can now upload a picture to represent the group, which will be shown both on the group page, and on the list of groups.

There is lots more to reveal, and Darren will be authoring some blog posts to introduce some of the new features in more detail in the very near future. We anticipate a Q4 release for vBulletin 3.8.

vBulletin 3.8 will have the same system requirements and recommendations as vBulletin 3.7.

vBulletin 4.0

The biggie. vBulletin 4.0 is ramping up now and is the primary focus for new development. Some may have noticed Andy Huang has been brought into the development team to help out with bugs and allow Mike and Scott to spend more of their time on new development.

vBulletin 4 is an extensive rewrite of the vBulletin system, aimed at providing a superior experience both for users and administrators, while providing a much faster development cycle for vB4-based features and products though code flexibility and stability.

Users will benefit from a new, intuitive interface designed to provide greater usability and accessibility through a clean, modern design. Administrators will also discover more power from the new semantic XHTML templates, whose layout can be restyled and edited with CSS.

Architecturally, vBulletin 4 follows MVC (model-view-controller) object oriented principles, allowing far greater capabilities in code re-use and extendability. It will make far more extensive use of caching and is being designed to be scalable on a level that previous vBulletin versions have not been able to achieve.

Because of the nature of the new code, we will be working much more closely with the plug-in community to provide information and help in getting existing modifications ready for vBulletin 4, so that there is already a library of exciting and well-written plug-ins ready at launch time.

vBulletin 4 will require PHP 5.2.3 and MySQL 5.0.22 or newer versions of each. Having APC and Memcache available on your server will be a significant advantage for vBulletin 4.

We look forward to bringing you a lot more information about vBulletin 4 in the coming months.

vBulletin Development Update - August 4th 2008 - vBulletin Community Forum

[Caddyman]

definetly some features i am looking forward too, the lack of control over some new 3.7 features was weak. my members i know have asked me about both the social groups forums (i know its a hack but i'd rather not) and moving album pics around.

[ArnyVee]

Social Groups should get a lot of attention from vBulletin, that's for sure. The PM quick reply is something that I've had added as a mod since the beginning. So, that'll be dandy to have one less thing to keep up to date

All in all it looks like it might be upgrade-worthy

[Soliloquy]

Oh boy, we're all going to have to redo our templates again!

[MaestroX]

Its great we finally know where vBulletin is going! Lets hope they keep it up

[Soliloquy]

Yes, I too am glad they're making things xhtml/css, I'm just not looking forward to transitioning all the templates...

[kano]

I am really looking foward to v b 4

[Greek76]

Its a good thing about new versions but a pain the ass like Soliloquy said with the template edits..

[Rocket 442]

I gotta agree with quite a few people over on vBulletin.com's board.

This is a bit ridiculous. vBulletin said that 3.7 was the last of the 3.X build before they moved to full time development on 4.0. In my opinion vBulletins been getting worse and worse. Building features that we really don't need (social groups) and even worse, they don't implement them into the forum at all. User albums were a disaster and I'm still trying to figure out how to make them a success after not giving people any place to look at them other than viewing each users profile. There are no admin options for them (move, resize, rebuild...) and admins can't create user albums for users which I'd really like to see implemented.

Instead they work on the vBulletin blogs which to put it nicely "suck". The point of a forum is to create a single place for people to discuss things. At the very least make the blogs and forum integrate much better than they are now (basically 2 separate things built next to one another with nothing keeping them together).

If both these releases take just a bit over a year, I'll be quite ticked off. All that means is they want more of our $$, thats why they'd release a 3.8 so that people have to renew just after a year of 3.7 when they renewed. Then they'll have to renew again at 4.0. Well I won't be renewing for 3.8, since theres really nothing worth renewing for.

So much for internet brands making vBulletin better eh?

[ArnyVee]

Andy, that's exactly the idea, I'm sure.

String folks along and see where you can get the most for renewing.

Plus, the 'blogs' might not be seeing the 'buy rate' that they were expecting and they could be making an effort to ensure that it becomes more successful by pouring more resources and features to them.

[Soliloquy]

I've been thinking of adding the blogs to one of my established forums, but I always saw it as something not taking away from the on-topic discussion on the forums and moving it to the blogs, but rather as a place where members could talk about their personal lives and other interests for the community to read if they wish. That would be the value of the blogs for me. But I agree with your other points, that some of the new additions were poorly thought-out.

[Rocket 442]

Originally Posted by Dave

I agree the albums need tons of work along with social groups, and i'm sure they'll get the attention they need and require to be good in due time, however the people at vB.com throwing a crying fit, whining and wanting vB4 is a tad childish, get over it, use what you got or switch to IPB or whatever forum software is so far advanced from vBulletin then. The whole reason for 3.8 is to fix the "Social Networking" features that the same people are complaining are lacking.


*Edit: If i were Jelsoft, everyone who said "I'm leaving blah blah cry cry vb4 years away cry cry", I'd refund them a prorated amount of their license, revoke it and tell them adios.

I'm one of the people that isn't "happy and thrilled about 3.8". But telling me to buy IPB because I don't agree with something is completely assinine. I know you know that switching forum software is going to kill your SEO that you work on, much of your branding, may frustrate members, etc...

So really, that would be a last case scenario. I posed a idea that vBulletin should have 2 separate options for download. A full package with the social networking features, and then a barebones forum software. I don't even care if they cost the same, I'd still probably use the barebones one. I know its probably not likely they'd do something like that for many reasons.

But the moral of my post is I hate this big fad lately that people have of "if you don't like it, leave". People say this when people don't enjoy our current president, they say it when a place ASKS FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT THEIR PRODUCT, and tons of other places.

I understand some people like the features, but why release them before they're ready, and then focus on them more than the actual forum features of the product.

[Rocket 442]

Originally Posted by Dave

I've got no problems with people who aren't happy with the software and suggest how to fix it, (even though my previous post may not reflect that clearly ). They won't please everyone and i'm sure almost everyone knows that, but if all people do is cry cry cry, and not give constructive criticism then its really not helpful.

And I too personally attempt to disable the social groups and albums features on my site as they are pretty useless features in their current forms.

I even tried to implement the social networking features on my site. The problem is they aren't really tied into the forum at all, the other problem is I don't know if I'd like them to be tied in as I'm not sure how they'd do that without bulking everything up quite a bit.

Although, I still am not sure why they'd release a 3.8 to "fix" the Social Networking features, when a completely new architecture will be coming "shortly" after...

[Brandon Sheley]

hey, I'm just glad they are making some updates
I don't see a need for the project tools, and the vb blog isn't anything to brag about, I agree
but I do see some forum improvements, I do wish they had a "lite" version of vb though, I know many many forum owners that wouldn't want the social network features, especially without the usergroup based permissions setup..

[Soliloquy]

My members have had the social group features now for a little over a week, and there was much activity and interest in them the first four or five days as everyone wanted to friend each other and join groups... today, practically no involvement.

[Caddyman]

my guys are using the soc net features pretty good, i agree there could be more integration, the vblogs, as we all have pretty much said here.....are....lacking.

never knows whats around the corner, stay positive, smile, God loves you (and so does Caddy )

[Brandon Sheley]

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