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#1   10-19-2007, 08:33 PM
Send a message via Yahoo to lazserus Send a message via Skype™ to lazserus lazserus is a jewel in the rough Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 32 Location: Texas
Proof Reading & Proper Writing


I could not find another place to post this tid bit, so I'm posting it in this forum. Please, mods, move this thread if it's out of place.

This is not advice on how to optimize your forums per se, but to aid in optimizing the respectability of your site overall. Optimizing for a search engine is only one step of many. Another vital step in promoting your site, or gaining net respect, is to ensure your major articles and information is formatted and written professionally. The content of your site matters little when it comes to such things. You should upload and implement articles to your site as if you were writing a college paper at the very least. Proof read your work at least twice, and then send the article to a friend or cohort to review it before you upload it. While bots care nothing for grammatical errors, the audience does. Constant grammatic and style mistakes in your site's articles can decrease your respectability in some respects.

I, personally, have researched hundreds of topics and used the internet as resources when citing information. Regardless of whether the information is on the level, I will immediately ignore a source if the author (or publisher) composes the article in broken language. Consistent grammatical errors and broken language can easily turn a reader away from your site entirely. You could have the answer to the quantum gravity debate, but if you can't present it intelligibly, you could lose hundreds of possible community members.

There's no doubt that content is key when building a successful site and/or community, but the content must be presented properly. Most companies employ professional writers to present their motives and intent; although this community seems steered toward the new kids on the block, it's still vital to your projects' respectability to offer well-thought, professional literature.

In essence, we all should be conscious and sure of any work we put on our sites before we actually do so.
  1. Proof read your work at least thrice before uploading it.
  2. Ask a friend or two to proof read after you've done so.
  3. If confident, upload.
  4. Once uploaded, never ignore the material. Always consider revising and editing for the future.

I am a writer and I excel in English Literature. I am by no means an expert or on any level near perfection. However, I would be willing to offer my knowledge and input to anyone interested when it comes to editing and correcting articles before uploading them to a site.

I'm formally trained in writing fiction, nonfiction, and I'm currently being trained to write critical reviews for literature. I thought this bit of information could prove handy to the members of this community and all you have to do is PM me if you ever wish for my help. I love helping people!

I hope this has helped at least one person, and I'm always available if someone wishes to peruse my brain.

Note: I can provide examples of my fiction and nonfiction writing upon request.

Edit: I absolutely love this community and all that it stands for. I feel blessed to have happened by this place randomly, and I cannot express enough my gratitude and respect for what Brandon and his team is attempting, and has accomplished with this website. While I cannot offer monetary aid at this moment in my life, I would like to offer my knowledge to all members. Thank you all (especially the staff and owners) who have made this community possible.
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#2   10-19-2007, 09:08 PM
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Re: Proof Reading & Proper Writing


Great article in itself! I completely agree, and often am guilty myself for grammatical/spelling errors in my writings. It's definitely important to write proficiently to get the most out of your forum members in terms of quality postings and educated responses. I'm going to refer to this as I develop my moderation team and train them in what I want for my forum.
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#3   10-19-2007, 10:09 PM
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Re: Proof Reading & Proper Writing


Great post and I couldn't agree with you more, sadly I don't follow your guidelines very often. I have posted an article in the mod room asking them to look it over, but I'll usually just post it and not even proof it. Then a mod or member will point out the bad grammer and spelling :p
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#4   10-19-2007, 11:24 PM
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Re: Proof Reading & Proper Writing


Brandon, what little time I've been here and all I've read, I can't say I've found any kind of error. I still blink twice before coming here and looking at threads, because I can't believe this place exists. You've done a phenomenal job and I can not even begin to thank you enough for this site. Brandon = Grand Master Flash. I absolutely love this place and I am reading new stuff hourly. I wish I could jack in like the Matrix.

I'm completely dumbfounded by what is being offered here and I want to offer every bit of my knowledge and information I can to support this community, and to help members.

I am a little apprehensive at the moment with offering suggestions, because I feel a little like Alice at the end of the rabbit hole. Regardless, I will always offer any services I can to this community in order to support its corpus. Thanks for the positive input, and I hope I can give back by offering help with articles and what not. My PMs are open to all.
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#5   10-20-2007, 12:48 AM
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Re: Proof Reading & Proper Writing


I have to say that indeed, most people posting n this forum are using correct English, and not those slang sms short cuts. I don't understand most without reading it out load I don't say it isn't handy on a cellular since we're locked to about 150 characters but I'm saddened to see younger people ending unable to write a correct simple text. On all forums I've had or help, I always try to write at best (not a native English speaker btw), for me it is a form of respect.

As you said I don't think any robot cares about the language though ... if you have wrongly spelled words, you won't be correctly indexed.

Anyhow, don't feel like Alice We're all the same, eager to learn and to share our passion. It is just some started sooner.
We can only gain by sharing and for that thank YOU to be willing to help others with matters in which you started sooner.
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#6   10-20-2007, 06:01 AM
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Re: Proof Reading & Proper Writing


Fantastic post, I agree wholeheartedly with what you have said. I am not quite proficient in writing and haven’t received any formal training, but I am constantly trying to improve my writing skills. Because I believe it is the conduct of the forum administrator that gets reflected on members, if the administrator or other staff use slangs in the forum, invariably the whole community starts doing the same.
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#7   10-20-2007, 12:00 PM
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I was struggling about the concept of writing professionally, or at least normally, but in today's day and age, slag on the internet is all the norm. When starting a forum, and trying to reach out to that young demographic who love to post, we may negate them from interacting with a seemingly "adult" forum. But when it comes down to it, it's all about quality post over anything else.
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#8   10-24-2007, 01:52 PM
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Re: Proof Reading & Proper Writing


I couldn't agree with you more, Luigi. When holding a discussion in a forum, there is nothing wrong with using slang if you think it would get your point across more clearly. However, if you're writing an article as an authority, then it is best to ensure that you present yourself professionally and with the best of your writing abilities. You won't find academic journals littered with slang, unless of course the topic is the use of slang.

As a student of language one bit of trivia always stands out: the English language is the most difficult language to learn to speak proficiently. It seems like English is formatted almost backwards from the vast majority of other languages. I am sure those of you who are not native English speakers can vouch for that. I am certainly not telling anyone how to run their site or community. Naturally, it depends on the content of your site and ultimately the type of community you run. Writing like an academic may hurt a gaming community. It really all depends.

For those of you that would like to touch up on your writing and use iGoogle, I have a brilliant resource I count on regularly: Daily Writing Tips. It provides daily tips via RSS feed and you can also browse the site by subject. This place has been a Godsend for people like me who enjoy writing.
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#9   10-28-2007, 12:53 PM
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Re: Proof Reading & Proper Writing


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Originally Posted by lazserus View Post
I couldn't agree with you more, Luigi. When holding a discussion in a forum, there is nothing wrong with using slang if you think it would get your point across more clearly. However, if you're writing an article as an authority, then it is best to ensure that you present yourself professionally and with the best of your writing abilities. You won't find academic journals littered with slang, unless of course the topic is the use of slang.

As a student of language one bit of trivia always stands out: the English language is the most difficult language to learn to speak proficiently. It seems like English is formatted almost backwards from the vast majority of other languages. I am sure those of you who are not native English speakers can vouch for that. I am certainly not telling anyone how to run their site or community. Naturally, it depends on the content of your site and ultimately the type of community you run. Writing like an academic may hurt a gaming community. It really all depends.

For those of you that would like to touch up on your writing and use iGoogle, I have a brilliant resource I count on regularly: Daily Writing Tips. It provides daily tips via RSS feed and you can also browse the site by subject. This place has been a Godsend for people like me who enjoy writing.
You've made some excellent points here I have a little theory on why spelling mistakes are more prevalent on the internet these last few years.

I think that a lot of the lack of correction in grammar etc is out of general politeness. I've been a member of a large music forum for a long time and they always stress that English may not be the poster's first language. This being the case I think that in general as Admins and other members don't always know the person's proficiency in English they let it go and the trend has developed from there.

I personally use a very handy British English dictionary add on for Firefox so that I can check all my posts and adjust accordingly. It also teaches me the correct spelling for words every time so it drills the correction into me. I always spelt surprise as suprise until I finally got this dictionary :p

I'm nowhere near perfect when it comes to writing but my site is about physics so I have to proof read my posts many times and accuracy is extremely important to me.
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#10   10-29-2007, 02:46 PM
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Re: Proof Reading & Proper Writing


Well said and completely agree.

Quick question though. How do you deal with posts from members who use your primary language as there 2nd?

This seems to be an issue for my board at the moment. Members from other countries are trying there best to make there thoughts clearly in English, but are struggling.
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